Is it possible to increase kidney energy while on hormones?

You can technically do it both ways, it would depend greatly on the patient and their underlying diagnosis in Chinese Medicine terms (see “treating the cause and not the symptoms”) and their particular health history.

Generally speaking you shouldn’t need the western hormones, but in some cases it can be quicker to get the result that you want by combining approaches temporarily. My clinical preference is to do it with herbal medicine and acupuncture alone in most cases, but I would say in about 10% a combination of western hormones and Chinese herbal medicine is quicker. Generally you would only be on the herbal formulas for about 2-6 months.

What herbs and at what dose are you taking currently. Also, keep in mind that it can take months to remedy hormonal issues, so I would not expect a quick change within a few weeks. By week 10 there should be some noticeable change - what does your current practitioner think? Do they see improvement in your signs, tongue, etc.?

You do have to be on exactly the right formula and that formula will likely change over time - so it’s not a cookie cutter approach. Yes, the wrong formula and/or wrong approach with acupuncture you will likely get nowhere, possibly even worse.

So within one post you say:

In my case at least becuase it has been 10 weeks on herbs and acupuncture and feel the same

and, then, just another post down you say:

but the herbs make me feel better:

So first, I would drop all of the theoretical terms (“kidney energy”, etc.) and the talking about testosterone levels (because they fluctuate wildly day to day) and start with discussing what your exact symptoms are. And, then, if your second statement was true, what in very exact terms does “make me feel better” mean?

From what you are describing you will do very poorly on any kind of lower level kidney treatment without first remedying your stomach/spleen issues - not least of which because assimilation of the herbs themselves will likely be poor.

You cannot have digestive signs like that and do well on kidney tonics, generally speaking. Is there anyone else locally that you can work with that does both acupuncture and herbal medicine.

Generally speaking, online consultations are poor in comparison to the amount of information received from working with someone locally. We offer them through this site, but we prefer people find someone locally to work with. Our forums are really intended more for general questions and then questions of a more theoretical/clinical nature from a practitioner (i.e. I see this, this, and this and was thinking it could be either x or y - which one do you think). The amount of personal information we need to truly try to help the average person online is completely inappropriate for a public forum.

My symptoms are everything one expects when stopping testosterone. Here is a good site. mentalhealthdaily - dot com/2014/08/06/testosterone-withdrawal-symptoms-what-you-may-notice/

I do these except the mixing of carbs and proteins. the concern i have is if i separate everything, then i would be eating many times per day and this would put more stress on my digestive system but maybe not, i dont know. i even separate nuts from proteins as well. i did drop oatmeal from my diet, it was just terrible but would fill me up and i missed that. i replaced with rice (eaten with 3 whole eggs and veggies) and didnt notice much negative effects on my stomach.

i spoke to another practitioner that i saw 4 years ago and he once did electro-acupuncture on my stomach and it was wiggling and wobbling all over the place. i had originally went there because of my dull prostate pain when sitting which was all related to too much masterbation and he didnt go over that as much as he said “your stomach has NO energy”. i stopped going since he was too far but looking to go again. he said that its true what you say, the stomach needs to be fixed first and i should not be using any kidney formulas so i told him i will have to go back on the hormones and he said never stop cold turkey you will feel miserable. he prescribes actual formulas that you go pick up loose and make yourself in a clay pot or pills he makes for ease. but he does change the formula often, i remembered this. my prostate issue went away when i corrected that myself.

i did ask him how can kidney tonics help one get off hormone therapy if one reduces production and one increase it. he is a professor actually. and mentioned thats a good question. but then he mentioned the herbs protect against cell damage from the hormones so as you take them, they are able to build up the testicles and after 2-3 months begin to taper off the hormones and the testicles should be at a much higher production, allowing one to come off as if i had done a shorter cycle or less amount (not 6.5 years of constant use).

So looks like i will be going back on the hormones but i am willing to micro-dose daily shots so my body hopefully doesnt sense this as exogenous and then reduces output internally but i dont know. i can always increase my dose. but he definitely did say that i should fix my stomach issues first.